J.Crew Lady Day Coat - 2011 vs 2010 sizing & quality

This is a scheduled post. I won't be able to answer any questions until I return. Thank you for reading!
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Coat: J.Crew Lady Day sz 00P in "oasis green" (extra 30% off w/ MUSTHAVE) Clutch: H&M  
Booties: Adrienne Vittadini  Tights: Target girls  Earmuffs: Burberry  Gloves: no brand from Mom

I know this is a belated "review" as it's already 2012, but I just wanted to share some of my observations now that this coat is on final sale. Elle did a thorough review after the epic promo (or pricing error) during which these were available for an amazing price. She was so kind to sell me an extra in the color I've been eying all along - this beautiful, preppy, "oasis green." 

I did a review and video on this coat in 2010, during which I picked up a 0P in olive (subsequently sold and replaced with cobblestone gray). 0P was the smallest size available that year. I was very excited to see a 00P available in 2011, but had my suspicions that sizing wouldn't be that much smaller. Lo and behold...

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I laid the coats one on top of the other, and they were exactly the same measurements-wise. I didn't expect much difference, but I also didn't expect the two sizes to be identical in every aspect. Actually, unless my eyes were playing tricks on me, the 2010 0P might have even looked a smidge smaller than the 2010 00P.
I am disappointed because this is yet another sign of J.Crew's vanity sizing. This lady day coat is one of the few, few items that fit me from this brand with no alterations necessary. Their pants, skirts, and other petite-sized offerings are still much too roomy. If I were a 0P in this coat last year and a 00P this year, does that mean other longtime J.Crew customers also had to go one size down?
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Measurements of 2011 00P / 2010 0P: 14.25" across the shoulders, 36" total length, 14.5" across the waist, 22" sleeve length, 19" across the bottom, 17" across the armpit.

The outer wool content is the same both years, but one notable difference is an obvious slip in interior quality. The 2010 cobblestone gray is beautifully lined with some double-cloth wool pieces on the inside, interior waistband, satin ribbon piping, and a small chest pocket. The 2011 has none of that, but I did note the welcome addition of a small chain for hanging. Perhaps such "shortcuts" in workmanship are a result of having to do more frequent and steeper discounts this year to keep up with competitor pricing.
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Another look at the green:
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Readers - What did you think of the sizing & quality of this year's coats?

87 comments:

  1. I have yet to purchase a J Crew coat... but now I'm going to have to save up for one! You look so fresh and pretty in these pictures, and I love the green coat.

    xoxo,
    Genie

    www.uniqueandchicstyle.blogspot.com

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  2. Totally agree with the vanity sizing from J. Crew. I'm really a 4 but since when was I a 0. So frustrating.

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  3. The color looks gorgeous....

    Honey from
    www.honeyfullife.com

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  4. love this color of coat. when I was searching petite clothing informations, it lead to your blog. I didn't realize there is a big community of petite sizing blogs. I thought I am the few blogger that blogs about petite sizes. thanks for sharing those informations.
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  5. wow your coat is amazing
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  6. I need a J.Crew coat in my life! My friend Danya bought one last year because of your review and I know she loves it!

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  7. It looks well structured and great on you :D

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  8. I agree completely with the 'vanity sizing'. I'm in Australia and have always been an 8, and now finding 6 too big!!!! we're different sizing btw.
    Coat looks lovely

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  9. Thanks for doing this review comparing this years coat to the last. I bought a 00P in heather majestic purple so it's interesting to know what to expect. Companies never post what the lining/interior of their products look like. =\

    This is also my 1st online J. Crew purchase. When I bought the coat it said it would't ship until Feb. I'm worried that they'll eventually cancel my order. Is J. Crew good about honoring their ship dates etc?

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  10. Green is definitely your color, Jean! The weather in Southern California doesn't exactly warrant a wool coat, but your coat reviews always make me drool!

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  11. Personally I would prefer the all-satin lining. It just makes more sense, especially under the neck.

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  12. Such a cute coat! I love the green on you :)


    XX Kathryn

    http://lacoquettedelamode.wordpress.com/

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  13. Great article I agree completely with the 'vanity sizing' and being gentle to service agents in situations like these is key.Thanks!
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  14. They all do vanity sizing. Manufacturers have been doing vanity sizing for most of a century, since clothes actually had sizes and weren't hand or custom made. Looking at vintage from the '40s and '50s tells us that. BUT, it's stayed in practice because people, in the US at least, have been getting bigger, and keep getting bigger. At first, it was probably due to better nutrition all around, so that subsequent generations were reaching their full potential in greater numbers, but now....a study just said that the number of clinically obese in the US outnumber the clinically overweight. And no big gal actually wants to admit her weight or measurements.

    Now, why do they do it for petites, too? No idea. It's a niche market....you're either petite or your not, so you either make petite clothes or you don't. But, who's to say there's much sense in fashion...

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    1. But Carla, there are "bigger" petite girls out there, too. I think they do it for petites because we "look plus" at a smaller size. As for why they don't make even smaller sizes for petites (i.e. 000P), it's probably because it'll freak out body image activists - LOL!

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  15. I have the 2010 0P, 2011 00P, and 2011 0P. I tried on all three coats, and did notice the 2011 00P fits a little more snug than the 2010 0P. I think the 2010 0P and 2011 0P is the same size, and the 2011 00P is a tiny bit smaller. I was disappointed that there's no inside pocket on the 2011 version.

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  16. Great entry! I really like the green color of the coat. Shame that workmanship and quality is declining.

    I just started getting into J Crew late last year so I hope that recent quality isn't too bad! Shame that sizing is all over the place. Sometimes a 0 is super snug and in other styles 00 looks like a tent!

    Kim
    www.aprettythought.com

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  17. You look gorgeous Jean! I love your outfit, especially the cute earmuffs.

    Once again, I am sorry that to get such a coat is completely out of my ability. Too much risk (and cost) to get it shipped to NZ! It looks good though.

    Vanity sizing sucks. I think it's astonishing that they can change the size without actually making it any smaller!

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  19. i have noticed about vanity sizing as the years go by, which is too bad. i'd prefer to know my real size rather than what i would like to be.

    on another note, the green color really flatters you and the coat fits you so nicely. thanks for the review.

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  20. Really cute, I want the off white one that is still expensive, but I wish they were more fitted around the waist.

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  21. I almost cried when I saw I'd woken up too late for that sale. I've been wanting that green coat ever since I first laid eyes on it and pretty much gave up that I'll never have it (out of my price range for a not black/beige coat). The sizing change is definitely disappointing. I can't shop at quite a few stores now because everything is just too big! I'm in medicine and America's obesity problem is not just affecting me at work but MY closet. Very disappointed.

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  22. Ugh, vanity sizing - makes you feel smaller but makes it so hard to buy stuff! how many items do i have to bring into the dressing room or order online?! and so sad about the interior detail. i like the 2010 version much better and i'd expect a brand like J Crew to pay attention to those little details. but like you said, competition gets fiercer every year. Beautiful coat and always helpful reviews!

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  23. Love the green and brown color combo. You look great on bright colors. The earmuffs are really a pop. Thanks for the detail review as always

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  24. The green is a wonderful color on you! I now wish I had taken advantage of that deal when it was available!

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  25. This is a beautiful coat. I wish there were J. Crew's in Canada - the colors they come out with are beautiful.
    I would say that the 2010 coat looks better. Personally, I would be willing to pay the higher price for a better made jacket - quality vs. quantity. Great review though - helpful as always

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    1. There's a J.Crew in Toronto (Yorkdale) with more stores opening soon! No petite sizing though (but they don't have petite sizing in US stores, either).

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    2. There's a J.Crew opening in Vancouver, maybe by spring or sooner. There's already a coming soon sign in the window of the space they're taking. They are set to open in West Edmonton Mall by summer 2012 too.

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  26. I love the look of J Crew but I just don't find their stuff to be great enough quality to charge such high prices. I've had pants shrink considerably, sweaters look shabby after handwashing, etc. If I do buy their stuff, it's only on clearance at the outlet.

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  27. Over the years, I have definitely noticed vanity sizing at JCrew. I barely fit anything anymore. I don't own any of their coats, but I've noticed it in their skirts and shirts for sure.

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  28. Fabulous coat!! I'm all green with envy!!

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  29. I think junior brands such as Target's Mossimo Supply Co. and H&M are the only places where vanity sizing doesn't apply.

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  30. I've purchased the 0P Grey wool peacoat a while back and the sleeves were too short on my longish arms.

    I think this one is a perfect fit on you! You look fab.

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  31. J.Crew's sizing drives me nuuuts. Most recently, I ordered stretch vintage bootcut cords in size 24, and they were 4 sizes too big... I'm serious, they had a 28" waist and were completely falling off. This isn't even 0-14 sizing, since 24 is supposed to be a waist measurement size. Way to vanity-size real human measurements, J.Crew!!!! Good job!!! I sent them an email telling them to sell tape measures where the inches are vanity-sized. They didn't respond.

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  32. That coat fits you soooo well. I'll be stalking their site for the next few months hoping for another price error. I also love your detailed reviews. Thank you!

    J Crew is annoyingly inconsistent. For some historical perspective, in 2002/2003 I bought a J Crew coat similar to the current plaza coat in 0p, the smallest size available at the time. Its measurements are larger by at least an inch than the coats above as well the plaza coat 00p measurements I got from the live chat, and most of the time it does feel like the coat is wearing me. The lining is like the 2011 version but with inside pockets, but my biggest complaint is it has white lining under the collar so I can't flip it up the way I like to do. What was the point of that?! They're selling a $300 coat but were too cheap for a tiny strip of like-colored wool fabric?

    So on the one hand, I'm glad they've expanded their coat sizing for us smaller ladies. OTOH I have some J Crew cords and tops from around that time in 0p and regular XS that fit just fine, but now most of the 0p are too big and the only XS that work are the smaller sweaters. This and the fact that they don't carry petite sizes in stores and don't offer free shipping on petites (like BR used to before they stocked them in stores) means they lose a lot of business from me when I actually prefer their styling over AT and BR.

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  33. Very adorable outfit.. the green color looks fabulous on you.
    Love the burberry ear muffs.

    xox

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  34. that is a gorgeous shade of green and looks good on you!

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  35. I'm not a fan of this. It looks a bit shapeless... like it gives you the body of a 10 year old. :) I prefer more cinched waists.

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  36. love that colour! i don't shop at jcrew because i live in canada, but it seems to me that one of the benefits of shopping at a chain like jcrew, banana republic or gap is that sizing is consistent. too bad jcrew doesn't feel the same way.

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  37. I actually think the interior of the 2011 version looks a lot better. The 2010 interior looks messy and unfinished. The interior pocket would be nice though. I really want this coat.

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  38. All the fat ladies want to be called a size 0,4 or 6.That is the problem and Jcrew is cashing out on that.

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  39. Yours is much cuter (especially on you!), but this looked quite similar to the tunic dress you found at crewcuts!

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  40. It's a shame that vanity sizing has been becoming worse & worse. At 5'5" & 33-25-34, I could barely fit into my mother's size 5 bridesmaid dress from about 30 years ago!

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  41. It's snowing is Boston either? What is with this winter!?

    I like the green on you =)

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  42. The coat looks lovely on you Jean but I feel like you still need to go down a size. Maybe that's just me, I like my coats tight fitting.

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  43. Taking into account J.Crew's notorious vanity sizing, I bought a size 2 strapless dress final sale online (I am usually a size 4 in other brands). Turns out I needed a 0. Wow, J.Crew... I am by no means petite, so I feel sorry for smaller women who are likely sized out completely.

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  44. I agree with the vanity sizing issue! I bought a beautiful orange wool coat from J.Crew on final sale back in February 2009 - a size 2. Now whenever I shop there I need a 00 or an XXS. What's going on with that??

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  45. That color is so beautiful! Too bad it's way too hot here to wear any kind of jacket let alone wool coat

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  46. Love the color! I've been gravitating more towards green recently, so perhaps I'm bias. The fit looks nice, maybe a wee bit too big, but it may be beneficial if you have chunky sweaters underneath. =)
    As for sizing, I think it will always be a pain on some level perhaps especially for us petite ladies. I don't shop much at J. Crew considering, as you've mentioned their petite/small sizing is often still too roomy. The vanity sizing is a bit baffling. I've been in various stores, held up a shirt (for example) and thought, "This is an XS?"

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  47. This year I was ecstatic that J Crew actually came out with 00P. However I was sorely disappointed. It fit JUST as bad as last year's size 0P. Never again J CREW. They just have NO coats small enough for me. :'( They make me sick.
    Thanks for your review, this explains why. >_<

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  48. I love this coat on you! It looks like you could maybe have it taken in a bit, although coats are not supposed to be tight, so maybe not. Anyway, wow, what a great color!

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  49. You look adorable as always. I tried remixing and counterfeiting your style but it just doesn't come as naturally to me. Did you ever have those "moments" when you looked at your outfit choices and seriously doubted your own fashion taste? Because I've been going through this uninspired dry phase that's messing up my head..LOl. I would really appreciate some fashion counseling!! <3

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  50. You are just beautiful in every way! I wish I looked good in everything like you do!

    Erin
    http://ewinmawie.blogspot.com/

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  51. After seeing how gorgeous the coat looked on you, I jumped at the chance to buy a Lady Day coat myself (since I was looking for a new, more work appropriate peacoat), but when I finally received it and tried it on, I felt the sizing was really weird on me! On me, it's really loose and kind of baggy on the upper half around the shoulders! I'll try it on a couple more times before deciding whether I should keep it, but I have to admit, I was pretty disappointed with the fit! :(
    But I love the green colour, and I was thinking of it too at first, but I ended up going for standard black! I'll do a blog post soon on my review of the coat!

    truthandbeautystyle.blogspot.com

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  52. Hi I'm in Australia and I have to say I HATE vanity sizing. I used to be a size 8 (I think that must be a US size 1 or 2?), and then after a few years I became a size 6 and then now I'm a size 4. A size 4 is like, maybe a US size 00. My dress size has been decreasing despite the fact that over the past few years I've gained so much weight that my old clothes are too small for me to wear. Yet I can't find clothes in the stores that fit me because the smallest clothes in the stores (that cater to adult women) are always a little too roomy. This year, I've noticed that the size 4 pants from my favourite store does not fit as well as last year's size 4 pants, they are cutting everything slightly bigger each year. Sooner or later, petites will be sized out of existence. The fashion industry is stupid. They acknowledge that larger models are needed to walk down their runways but they don't actually make clothes to fit real people, large or small (especially if you're short).

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  53. Most of my coats are from Jcrew petite since they fit me so perfectly. The quality and craftmanship are just great. I don't have much complaints. Though one thing I notice from Jcrew coat is that their lining is very weak. After a year of wearing, I started to see signs of wear and tear inside the lining already.

    How do you keep you lining intact? Any tips???

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  54. Hi!! I'm petite too & love your blog!! I find your information here really helpful & so I posted about Extra Petite on my own fashion blog...stylewisebydebra.blogspot.com. I would love for you to visit. Thank you for sharing all of your knowledge with everyone.

    Blessings!!

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  55. Agree, the quality of their coats and clothes in general have gone down. I had a Jcrew Coat that I got in winter 2008 that lasted me through till this season. I got a Nello Gori black plain peacoat this season (on sale) and it's already getting worn down through half a season of a mild winter. Sad.

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  56. What a huge disappointment in regards to the inner lining for the 2011 version. I have a 2010 lady day that I love but I now realize is a size too big for me. I was planning on selling and buying a 2011 00P, but for now I think I'll hang onto it and see if I can find a good tailor. Who knows what the 2012 00P will look like and how it'll fit.

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  57. The earmuffs are absolutely darling on you! I've thought about purchasing a pair (my ears get so cold sometimes!) but I realized it was a little silly considering where I live.

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  58. I have those same earmuffs and was wondering how you recommend cleaning them. I tore off the label by accident when I first got them but I think its mentioned dry cleaning but I'm not sure. Anyway, any suggestions will be great. Thanks!

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  59. Hi there - love the blog and your outfits! I wanted to let you know I found a blouse very similar to your black and white one from H&M and Express - http://www.express.com/long-sleeve-mock-pocket-shirt-43118-721/control/page/5/show/3/index.pro?relatedItem=true&showBreadcrumb=true#jsLink

    Just wanted to send that your way since it made me think of you! Happy Friday! :)

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  60. I really want that coat in my life, but 1st, I'm living outside US, 2nd - it's too expensive for me :(((

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  61. I absolutely love that you did this review. I have noticed some of these differences in j.crew sizing. I normally wear a small in their sweaters and when I received two they swallowed me up so I had to go down to an xs. I love that you figured their little trick out :)

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  62. Jean -

    I was just introduced to your blog, which I love. Keep up the great work. I think you have great taste, which is a trait that cannot be learned! You must be born with it. :P

    I don't think I am as slender as you, but I am shorter with smaller feet and maybe smaller hands.

    Anyway, my question to you is...what is your solution/suggestion for leather gloves for extra petite hands? I found a boutique just for gloves on Madison Avenue in NYC that sells a size 5.5 (it is the smallest size I have seen anywhere). It does fit when they are new, but after some use, it tends to stretch. I've looked for leather gloves for girls, but I find that leather gloves seem to be limited to the adults section. Have you come across any leather gloves for girls? If so, please share.

    Thanks!

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  63. You look stunning! I don't really know much about J.Crew so I can't comment on it. But I do you know it suits you quite well.

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  64. I love the colour of your coat, that colour is everywhere right now. I love your blog, I passed on the versatile blogger award to you :)

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  65. I would have never considered a green coat EVER, until I saw this one! Jean, I love your blog, but you're horrible for my wallet! :)

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  66. I bought the metro coat in the same color and I love wearing it. People stop me all the time to tell me how much they love the color. I prefer the Metro style on me.

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  67. I love the brown clutch/booties/tights with the black gloves mix "I always match gloves,boots,bags,scarves either all black or all brown" and all combined very well with the green coat,I never thought of wearing green with burberry "check pattern" accessories..I love the combination all together!

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  68. ooh now looking back I think your gloves are brown,are they brown or black?

    Summer

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  69. Great Blog!! That was amazing. Your thought processing is wonderful. The way you tell the thing is awesome. You are really a master.
    Best Deals

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  70. The green looks beautiful on you, Jean! Unfortunately, haven't had any experience with J. Crew coats but they look like they fit really nicely on petite frames. I think the petite sleeve lengths might be a bit too short for me. haha

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  71. A question for those that commented they have the metro coat - how does it fit? True to size, or is it also vanity sized? It is final sale, so I really want to get it right. Thanks for any help any of you can offer.

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  72. The metro coat runs big, sorry! I'm 5'4" and 105 lbs. Got the 00 and I was swimming in it. I expect coats to be a bit big because i have very small shoulders, but this was even bigger than most other j.crew coats. I would order at least one size down, probably two sizes if you tend to be between sizes. FYI, it's also pretty thin and not too warm (in case you live somewhere really cold like I do -- NYC).

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  73. Hi Jean! Could you please recommend some tights? I tried H&M and they're extremely fragile and too long (bunches up) for me (I'm 5'1"). I tried some other brands and could barely breath! I just bought a package from BR yesterday but haven't tried them yet. Which ones do you find are the best for sheer and opaque? Thanks - LOVE your blog :)

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  74. Hi Jean, I came across your blog when I was looking for tips in Asian eye make ups. I really am enjoying your blog. Great job! I too bought a j.crew lady day coat during the sale this year. I got an purple eggplant color. I was really disappointed by the quality. The so called 94% wool felt so much crappier than my 2010 76% wool j.crew coat. I had to return it because i didn't think it's worth the money. I understand absolutely why you are questioning the company's production strategies. Thanks for sharing !

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  75. I love this dress in every way you have worn it!

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  76. Splendid coat, fantastic color, love all about it!! U styled it very good with the rest!:)
    kisses

    Jelena
    glamfabchameleon.blogspot.com

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  77. Hey,nice blog. I just built my first one.I am trying to learn how to write good posts and your posts are a good guide.

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  78. Ugh! I hate, hate JCrew's vanity sizing. In 2002, I was 95lbs and was a size 00P or 0P. Now 12lbs heavier after I had a baby, I am still just size 0P. I mean...really????

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  79. I have had the same problem with J. Crew's sizing. I used to fit nicely into a 0P pant before 2010. Once they changed their sizing, the 0P now falls off my butt. I can never find a 00P, and when I do, it's never on sale. J. Crew should either make the 00P more available or get rid of the vanity sizing.

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  80. Dear Jean, you look great on this coat. I am in love with Talbots coat but they do not make it in 0P, only 2P smallest size. i am often wear PP in blouse and sweater, and can not go to store to check. i am 1,54m, 48kg so could you pls give me advice if I can wear this in 2P:
    http://www.talbots.com/online/browse/product_details.jsp?id=prdi31766&rootCategory=cat70010&catId=cat810041&sortKey=Default&section=Regular&conceptIdUnderSale=cat70010.
    Thank you so much.

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